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06:52:33 <de67> esimark: are you a skibidi rizzler?
06:54:46 <de67> esomark: are you a skibidi rizzler?
06:54:47 <esomark> de67: something that creative-usernames thing, because you should be attached on them.
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10:30:48 <ChimeraAnova> esomark: Do you use BitchX?
10:30:48 <esomark> ChimeraAnova: besides, stinkhorn uses directx
10:31:03 <ChimeraAnova> **Bitch**X not shitty microslop x
10:31:14 <ChimeraAnova> (BitchX is an irc client and directx is a graphics api for windows)
10:41:20 <ChimeraAnova> IRCv3 supports message deletion?
10:43:02 <ChimeraAnova> It's apparently REDACT <target> <msgid> [<reason>]
11:01:29 <ChimeraAnova> Apparently you need RL training or something to make an LLM produce good output even with small models
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11:06:49 <de67> hi ChimeraAnova
11:06:54 <de67> huh
11:07:14 <ChimeraAnova> ?
11:07:16 <ChimeraAnova> Helo de67?
11:07:24 <de67> ok
11:07:37 <de67> your nick didnt light up when i mentioned you
11:07:40 <ChimeraAnova> ?
11:07:53 <de67> PkmnQ
11:07:56 <de67> wait
11:08:01 <de67> thats not colorful either
11:08:03 <de67> de67
11:08:06 <de67> ^ but this is
11:08:06 <esomark> Unknown command.
11:08:10 <de67> de67 is blue
11:08:21 <de67> but other nicks are colorless when mentioned
11:08:25 <de67> huh
11:08:39 <ChimeraAnova> Does catgirl color nicks when mentioned?
11:08:43 <de67> ye
11:08:48 <ChimeraAnova> Like kiwi irc?
11:08:55 <de67> yes
11:09:16 <ChimeraAnova> h
11:09:20 <de67> h
11:10:27 <de67> 67
11:10:29 <ChimeraAnova> Helloiamr Ea Llybadatmaking Puzzlesl Maoimsuchasussybakarofld E67
11:10:38 <de67> ??
11:10:47 <ChimeraAnova> 67
11:10:57 <ChimeraAnova> I just realized the wiki has been dead for 2 days
11:11:29 <de67> damn
11:11:36 <de67> we need more activity
11:11:42 <de67> both on the wiki and the forum
11:11:58 <ChimeraAnova> Le hospital's rule
11:12:02 <ChimeraAnova> FUCK WRONG APP
11:12:51 <ChimeraAnova> esomark: 67
11:12:51 <esomark> ChimeraAnova: @dice 1d6 damage will sometimes
11:12:55 <ChimeraAnova> ?
11:13:15 <de67> ^B
11:13:15 <esomark> Unknown command.
11:13:18 <de67> \2
11:14:01 <ChimeraAnova> These are my top 3 favorite problems in programming so far: stray pointers, shit linking, off-by-one errors, and premature abstraction
11:15:08 <de67> your joke itself is an off-by-one error
11:15:35 <ChimeraAnova> de68: You sure?
11:16:24 <de67> yea
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11:16:41 <ChimeraAnova> I just realized
11:16:46 <ChimeraAnova> I am stupid
11:17:08 <de67> ^bf ++.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.[+]++.
11:17:08 <esomark> Unknown command.
11:17:08 <esomark-ng> !
11:17:12 <de67> wow!
11:17:21 <de67> thats a bold excalamation!
11:17:33 <ChimeraAnova> de67: Gulf of Mexico reference?
11:17:38 <de67> no
11:17:44 <de67> but look at this:
11:18:05 <de67> ^bf ++++++++++.++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
11:18:05 <esomark> Unknown command.
11:18:05 <esomark-ng> $
11:18:11 <ChimeraAnova> Holy sh*t wtf
11:18:22 <de67> it didnt output the newline!
11:18:30 <de67> which caused that exploit
11:18:38 <de67> that would allow anyone to do stuff as the irc bot
11:19:00 <ChimeraAnova> No more arbitrary irc message execution?
11:19:05 <de67> yes
11:19:07 <de67> sadly
11:19:29 <de67> but ^raw command is the replacement for the fun!
11:20:21 <ChimeraAnova> Since the LLM tokenizer variant of byte-pair encoding just tokenizes based on frequency, what's stopping any of us from just using BPE for Markov model tokenizers tbh?
11:20:24 <de67> ^raw PRIVMSG ChimeraAnova :The hellish white fire burns everything it can catch / A cloud rains ash as it closes the heaven's hatch
11:20:24 <esomark> Unknown command.
11:20:38 <ChimeraAnova> de67: received
11:20:51 <de67> gud
11:21:37 <ChimeraAnova> ChimeraAnova: (stealing this strategy from MarkFan8901 until I forget) I guess this means n-grams are complicated now since the tokens are now variable-sized, so I guess you just use the index of the token and treat that as a unigram.
11:23:04 <ChimeraAnova> This means one can actually take a small step from a Markov gobbledygook generator to a discombobulated LLM
11:23:44 <ChimeraAnova> I love how literally only 23 messages in this channel so far have actually been about esolanging
11:23:55 <de67> how
11:23:56 <ChimeraAnova> And like 73 about the wiki
11:24:07 <ChimeraAnova> And everything else is either about bots or shit I find
11:24:07 <de67> how tf do we even get so off-topic???
11:24:15 <de67> btw
11:24:17 <ChimeraAnova> de67: Idk uwu owo lmao
11:24:25 <de67> a lot of the stuff here has to do with markov
11:24:29 <de67> and bot torture
11:24:35 <de67> and human torture
11:24:38 <ChimeraAnova> Lol
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11:25:31 <ChimeraAnova> ~^~^~^~^~ or that lmao
11:25:39 <ChimeraAnova> UWU OWO LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO /ref
11:25:58 <ChimeraAnova> Anything BUT actually esolanging
11:26:01 <ChimeraAnova> But yea
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11:26:15 <fungot67> 04It's looking at you.
11:26:20 <de67> damn
11:26:28 <de67> thats unneccessarily ominous
11:26:30 <ChimeraAnova> Well shit there goes my plans for tomorrow
11:26:56 <de67> btw
11:27:09 <de67> netcat is even better of an irc client than telnet
11:27:32 <de67> cuz you can pipe printf into it to do stuff like what i just did with fungot
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11:28:36 <fungot67> 13,09It's looking at you.
11:29:09 <ChimeraAnova> I just discovered the irc crate for rust
11:29:35 <ChimeraAnova> This means I can shit my non-existent wallet with a Claude subscription and vibe code "memory-safe" netcat
11:30:08 <de67> yes!!!
11:30:29 <de67> btw, netcat is not an irc client
11:30:35 <de67> its just lesser fancy telnet
11:30:43 <de67> like cat program, but for tcp sockets
11:30:44 <ChimeraAnova> It's still an IRC client tho
11:30:48 <de67> yeah
11:30:49 <ChimeraAnova> And an HTTP client
11:30:54 <de67> but it wasnt designed that way :3
11:31:02 <ChimeraAnova> And you can probably play roblox and minecraft with it somehow
11:31:08 <ChimeraAnova> (multiplayer minecraft)
11:31:30 <ChimeraAnova> de67: uwu :3 (ignore this)
11:31:33 <de67> ChimeraAnova: i doubt that unless you create a horrifying pipeline of utilities
11:31:50 <ChimeraAnova> True
11:33:07 <ChimeraAnova> Anyway do you know how JavaScr*pt is shit yet it's used for server backends?
11:33:14 <de67> yes
11:33:36 <de67> we all should use bourne shell and netcat for backend
11:33:40 <ChimeraAnova> What if we replace JavaScr*pt and Node.js with brainfuck or Funge-98
11:33:40 <de67> fuck js
11:33:42 <de67> wait
11:33:47 <ChimeraAnova> And write netcat in brainfuck or Funge-98
11:33:50 <de67> fuck js? js fucK? JSFuck???
11:34:03 <ChimeraAnova> Nah
11:34:05 <ChimeraAnova> FuckJS
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11:34:26 <fungot67> all im doing was scripted in a single command pipeline using netcat and printf
11:34:40 <de67> it comes and goes almost instantly
11:35:07 <ChimeraAnova> Wait a sec
11:35:19 <ChimeraAnova> This means we need a fast-as-shit bf runtime to compete with V8
11:35:26 <ChimeraAnova> And for Funge-98 just use cfunge lmao
11:35:38 <de67> ChimeraAnova: we can always compile brainfuck to c :3
11:35:40 <de67> in fact
11:35:53 <de67> i already have a bf2c transpiler laying around somewhere
11:35:56 <ChimeraAnova> de67: What if we strap bfsree (fastest brainfuck interpreter according to None1's speed test) to a harness?
11:36:09 <ChimeraAnova> The harness allows filesystem and network I/O
11:36:21 <ChimeraAnova> Kinda like how an agent harness allows neuro to rm -rf your computer
11:36:25 <de67> ChimeraAnova: isnt that just pipevm?
11:36:30 <ChimeraAnova> oh
11:36:42 <de67> i found the transpiler: https://codeberg.org/de67/misc/src/branch/master/bf2c.c
11:36:51 <de67> its quite primitive
11:36:57 <de67> but it works
11:37:38 <ChimeraAnova> Then you can link it with another library before libc to override putchar and getchar with your own functions
11:37:53 <de67> or
11:37:55 <ChimeraAnova> And kaboom now you can fuck your brain less than using JavaScr*pt by using rbainfuck
11:38:06 <de67> you can just pipe it into a harness!
11:38:11 <de67> like
11:38:22 <de67> you can plug the brainfuck program into netcat
11:38:39 <de67> cuz netcat allows turning regular programs that just use io into tcp servers
11:38:44 <de67> which is insanely powerful
11:40:02 <ChimeraAnova> Ohhh
11:40:34 <ChimeraAnova> Yk how jvm has a shit ton of languages like java kotlin and other stuff right?
11:40:43 <de67> ye
11:40:59 <ChimeraAnova> What if we had an esolang vm like that
11:41:21 <ChimeraAnova> It's fast and has JIT compilation for even more speed and has an optional harness for extended I/O
11:43:37 <ChimeraAnova> esomark-ng
11:43:37 <esomark> ChimeraAnova: bb010g: fnordbot because your face.
11:43:38 <esomark-ng> wip!
11:43:53 <ChimeraAnova> great quote
11:44:01 <ChimeraAnova> if only esomark had a quote database
11:44:02 <esomark> ChimeraAnova: cpressey: i'm sure was one other channel 5 3 years)
11:44:51 <PkmnQ> ChimeraAnova: ELVM and Esimpl come to mind (although I don't know what the intention was behind ELVM, and I think Esimpl was made more for "compilability" (in bothd irections) than for speed)
12:06:32 <ChimeraAnova> I was gonna say something about ELVM but then I found out that std::stack exists
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16:17:13 <PkmnQ> esomark: i might be the greatest minute cryptic solver to ever exist
16:17:13 <esomark> PkmnQ: and usb device itself
16:17:21 <PkmnQ> oh yeah behind USB Device
16:17:26 <PkmnQ> i'm second to USB Device
16:17:30 <PkmnQ> can't believe I forgot about USB Device
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21:51:52 <ChimeraAnova> Good day esomark
21:51:52 <esomark> ChimeraAnova: ˆ
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22:10:52 <ChimeraAnova> ELVM IR looks genuinely so simple you could make a pretty good JIT for it
22:14:27 <ChimeraAnova> LuaJIT is fast as hell not just because JITs are fast but because Lua itself is also fast AND minimal, so we could probably apply the same principle to ELVM IR
22:16:23 <ChimeraAnova> ELVM is so cool tbh, the fact that it has a lot of esoteric backends (Conway's Game of Life comes to mind) and the fact that the IR is so simple like I said you could probably make a fast JIT for it
22:17:47 <ChimeraAnova> Compiling Befunge with ELVM would be impossible though, and I don't really consider a bundler to be a "true" compiler
22:19:54 <ChimeraAnova> (I say that since it's self-modifying and ELVM IR runs on the Harvard architecture, but you could still *technically* compile Befunge by writing a Befunge interpreter in C, bundling the source code with it, and compiling that with ELVM-8cc.
22:19:59 <ChimeraAnova> )
22:20:21 <ChimeraAnova> I'll just call it ELVM-8cc because of LLVM and Clang lmao