00:07:53 How does cout mog printf 00:10:32 printf time 12561873300ns | cout (sync) 5950606800ns | cout (no sync) 977761400ns | print (sync) 7454406500ns | print (no sync) 7524769900ns 00:10:45 Results of printing a uint64_t counting from 0 to 100000 00:10:56 For some reason cout (no sync) mogs printf 00:11:31 And std::print (no sync) is somehow slower than std::print (sync) 00:11:48 Idk why printf is the slowest 00:11:58 Either that or my benchmark is cursed 00:14:34 My benchmark shows that cout (no sync) > cout (sync) > print (sync) > print (no sync) > printf in terms of speed 00:14:45 I'm not sure if it's just cache or something 00:16:28 std::cout with std::cout.sync_with_stdio(false) still mogs 00:21:21 Even when I only time the loop body and not the entire loop, std::cout.sync_with_stdio(false) genuinely mogs 00:21:38 What on earth did the libstdc++ devs do 00:25:45 Somehow passing std::cout to std::print makes it slower 00:26:01 *slightly slower than just using plain std::print 00:28:52 LOL 00:29:16 Using std::format with std::cout is somehow faster than using std::print 00:30:42 I think std::cout + std::format + std::cout.sync_with_stdio(false) is only around 30000000ns slower than raw std::cout 00:30:47 (based on my results) 00:31:45 ??? 00:32:11 std::cout.sync_with_stdio(true) made std::cout + std::format faster!? 00:32:42 Now it's only around 6000000ns slower than raw std::cout 00:34:29 ????????????????????????????? 00:34:55 I'll have to average those numbers 00:36:34 These numbers are very volatile 01:17:42 esomark 01:17:42 08:21:44 ^rev hello world! 01:32:46 AnovaBot: How do you feel that you're finally going to be on par with HackEso? 01:32:46 AnovaCometFloppa: style you a nickname talk about esomark-ng esomark esomark esomark esomark-ng esomark esomark esomark-ng: whar i fix forum ok over been kinda esomark ^lol .+[.+] ^lol .+[.+] ^lol ive all shit thing c ready satisfy why who??? yay!!! 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03:00:48 the what 03:01:05 AnovaCometFloppa: the international terrorism thing! duh 03:01:16 esomark: the what 03:01:16 i mean "i upgraded between brainfuck or dosbox! outragoues esomark 03:01:55 esark: youre dumb 03:02:01 esomark: youre dumb 03:02:01 chimeraanova: eplace that means a draft networks!!! di 03:02:05 whar 03:02:24 i havent ab(used) esomark in a while :-) 03:02:24 yk what lambdabot 03:02:51 i put the parenthesis in the wrong place 03:03:09 ~ lisp programmer, after his software causes nuclear meltdown 03:04:13 "esark: youre dumb" genuinely made me laugh my humor is genuinely shattered 03:04:29 parentheses are evil 03:05:14 AnovaCometFloppa: so true 03:08:57 I went from "Virtual file system" to "Battle of Iwo Jima" somehow 03:09:14 How do I keep finding the most unrelated things to what I'm looking for 03:10:36 (for context, I was looking for emulated file systems then ended up at the submarine thing then at Apollo 13 then the USS Iwo Jima" 03:10:42 s/"/) 03:22:34 [[11Making your first esolang]] 12https://esolanging.wiki/mediawiki/index.php?diff=481 07N * AnalysisOfVariance * (+46) * idk 03:24:58 I think it'd be fun to be able to exploit security vulnerabilities in a VM 03:29:42 What if we had an intentionally insecure operating system in a sandbox and let people use it over IRC like HackEso 03:32:56 thata a 03:33:06 thats a bad idea actually 03:35:02 ? 03:35:03 Why 03:35:33 were gonna get h4xx3d 03:36:02 nvm 03:36:06 thats fun actually 03:36:36 It's sandboxed so only the OS gets hacked which is less fun but more rational 03:36:48 But pie is irrational and people love pie so... 03:40:44 I think it'd be fun to make an OS in Processor/1 03:40:52 And hack the OS over IRC 03:44:12 Turns out Processor/1 doesn't have any I/O capabilities like x86 does 03:46:52 wow 03:47:11 ? 03:47:18 make an os in three star programmer 03:49:40 I just found [[Wikipedia:Literate programming]] 03:51:15 ive known about it for a while now 03:51:27 i dont find it all too interesting 03:51:32 I think it'd be cool to have an esolang that's just that but I have no idea how it works 03:51:45 To me it just looks like putting code in a design document 03:53:21 Processor/2 /j 03:56:04 de67 has quit (Quit: Remote host closed the connection). 03:56:52 Processor/1 got to de67 04:08:38 de67 has joined. 04:10:49 It broke 04:11:11 esolangingbot has joined. 04:28:33 im confused about halungtiyang 04:28:54 do the operations work like a stack, a deque or a queue? 04:29:03 it looks like a queue at a glance 04:29:09 but then i test my program 04:29:16 and now it works like a stack! 04:29:21 ? 04:29:22 the code says that its a deque 04:29:35 It's a deque but the operations operate on the chosen side 04:29:49 I got indecisive so I just made most operations use the front and ! flips it to the back 04:30:07 de67 has quit (Quit: Remote host closed the connection). 04:30:27 Halungtiyang so discombobulating it killed de67's connection 04:30:33 Stack 04:30:36 de67 has joined. 04:30:39 It feels like a stack but it isn't a stack 04:30:41 anyway, i ported the dynamic lib to *nix 04:30:46 Nice 04:31:06 but i nees to test stuff first 04:31:12 I think to allow calling functions with arguments we have to raw dog assembly 04:31:43 nahhh 04:31:45 we dont 04:32:32 we just need to figure out how do we serialize whatever we have in the deque into args 04:32:38 Yeah 04:32:55 do we just pass a single string as an argument? 04:32:57 But then we have calling conventions 04:32:58 ? 04:33:00 What string 04:33:29 de67 has quit (Quit: Remote host closed the connection). 04:33:49 Maybe a little bit of assembly 04:33:59 de67 has joined. 04:35:32 de67 has quit (Quit: Remote host closed the connection). 04:36:40 de67 has joined. 04:38:45 what am i doing wrong: 04:38:47 0"os.biltset"BL0"gnitset"8X 04:39:04 ? 04:39:24 testing and testing.os? 04:40:00 i wanna call function testing from library testing.so 04:48:00 pliz help 04:48:12 im sorry im dumb i camt figure it out 04:49:17 ? 04:49:40 the test thing 04:49:54 How 04:50:31 the stack should be 11 testlib.so 0 by the time L gets executed 04:51:04 then it should be 8 testing 0 by the time X gets executed 04:51:07 *deque 04:51:11 but smths not right and doesnt work 04:51:12 ye 04:51:16 deque 04:52:27 Are you including the null terminators 04:53:13 yes 04:53:14 it seems 04:53:39 hm 04:53:44 Don't include those 04:53:49 oh 04:54:51 i removed them 04:54:56 still no worky :-( 04:55:13 the issue is prolly with the lib itself 04:56:15 Does it successfully load the library 04:58:00 prolly 04:59:56 Do you think it'd be easy to port OpenBSD to Processor/1? 05:00:01 no 05:00:02 (or any BSD really) 05:00:04 ok 05:04:06 i did debugging and it couldnt load the lib 05:04:40 i fixed it!!! 05:05:28 Nice 05:10:52 openbsd 05:12:03 openbsd my beloved <3 05:12:23 I can see why 05:14:53 lets just use a queue since its simpler and more intuitive than a stack or a deque 05:15:37 That's equivalent to flipping the deque using ! 05:16:27 ^ funny punctuation 05:16:34 ok, my idea: queue by default: reverse when needed to use like a stack 05:17:05 s/t\:/t,/ 05:17:16 (wait it's not equivalent the way it is now is a double-ended stack what am I talking about) 05:18:08 I think I get it, the operations that dequeue stuff dequeue from the back by default but you can reverse that to use the deque like a stack 05:18:24 So a queue-stack hybrid that isn't a deque but is but isn't but is but isn't really 05:19:16 queue is dequeue front, enqueue back 05:19:35 stcak is pop back, push back 05:19:42 Oh right (I for some reason thought queues went into the front and out the front) 05:23:20 5"hello" -> (back) o l l e h 5 (front) 05:23:25 I think I see it because 05:23:42 AB -> B A then + can add them easily 05:23:53 Still not sure what advantage this provides over a deque though 05:24:04 why did you put front in the back? 05:24:15 Illustration? 05:24:32 AnvoaCometFloppa: the advantage is that its not consufing 05:24:36 confjsing* 05:24:42 discombobulating* 05:24:51 You mean it currently feels like a double-ended stack? 05:24:58 ye 05:25:11 a dest 05:25:48 also heres an advantage of a queue: 3"abc"L 05:25:51 dest/desta 05:25:58 this works the way you expect 05:26:11 load lib at path L 05:26:20 s/L/abc/ 05:26:55 I see the advantages there, I guess the problem I wanted to solve by making it a double-ended stack is that it's not easy to perform math on a queue since the elements you want are at the back, for example "this string will be used later"12+ adds "t" and "h" instead of 1 and 2 05:27:09 I see why you advocate for a queue-stack now 05:27:25 just have a command to reverse the queue :-) 05:27:44 12!+ 05:27:55 ! should reverse the queue 05:27:59 actually, he 05:28:23 actually, heres a better example: "foo"12!+! 05:28:34 the queue: a b c 3 05:28:46 s/a b c/f o o/ 05:29:39 `foo12 -> 21foo -> 3foo -> foo3` <- like that? 05:29:44 wait 05:29:47 ye 05:29:53 Ok 05:29:56 nvm 05:29:58 ? 05:29:59 im dumb 05:30:14 it doesnt work like that 05:30:15 shit i meant 21oof and 3oof 05:30:36 foo12 21oof oof3 3foo 05:30:45 so we need an additional roll command 05:30:49 fun 05:30:56 We already have a roll command as is 05:31:00 cool 05:31:09 I think I added it because I foresaw that lstrings would be a pain to deal with without them 05:31:37 do we switch to queues now? 05:31:45 You mean a queue stack? 05:31:51 (or quack since that's a funny name) 05:31:53 ye 05:32:11 Ok lemme just rework this 05:32:22 lemme push my things first 05:32:24 ok? 05:32:28 Ok 05:33:02 ok i pushed it 05:33:13 (Btw this also allows us to have 2 categories on the esowiki instead of 1, [[Esolang:Category:Stack-based]] + [[Esolang:Category:Queue-based]] compared to only [[Esolang:Deque-based]]) 05:33:41 cool 05:36:21 Btw should we call it a quack or something else 05:37:43 its a quack 05:37:48 Ok 05:38:04 C++29 should add std::quack 05:38:16 (but they will take ages to support it so you're better off doing it yourself) 05:39:23 isnt what were dling just a queue that can be reversed? 05:39:34 s/dl/do/ 05:40:28 Good point 05:41:24 Wait, can a quack be used as both a queue and a stack at the same time or do you have to switch between the modes first? 05:42:45 i guess the former 05:42:50 Ok 05:44:23 I just realized implementing a quack is the equivalent to what I was doing before I made it like a stack 05:48:46 Oh wait no 05:48:49 It's because of the duplicate command 05:49:48 It acts different when you reverse the queue and when you use the stack end of a quack 05:50:03 I'm using a canonical quack then 05:55:06 So this means ! switches between queue and stack? 05:55:55 de67 has quit (Quit: Remote host closed the connection). 05:57:22 de67 has joined. 05:57:26 AnovaCometFloppa: sure 05:58:07 Ok 05:58:38 Idk if it's because of the stupid "duplicate" instruction but printing text uses >:# !#! #.~!;\ now 05:58:45 (ignore the \ that halts) 05:59:31 i guess quack is a queue that can switch between queue and stack mode 06:02:34 The duplicate instruction is incredibly annoying on a queue since it brings the front to the back twice 06:02:54 Wait no wrong one 06:03:02 I think it just peeks and enqueues a copy 06:03:33 nah 06:03:39 ? 06:03:40 it just dequeues and enqueues twice 06:04:07 Oh ok 06:06:46 Printing null-terminated strings is now >:# !#! #.~!;; 06:11:49 Cat program is funny now 06:12:49 de67 has quit (Quit: Remote host closed the connection). 06:13:19 de67 has joined. 06:20:27 AnovaCometFloppa has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:20:40 AnovaCometFloppa has joined. 06:21:31 hi 06:21:55 Hi 06:21:57 Wait whaat 06:22:04 Oh stupid senpai 06:22:09 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ funny sentence out of context 06:22:09 Unknown command. 06:27:11 AnovaCometFloppa has quit (Quit: Quit: senpai glitched out). 06:27:44 AnovaCometFloppa has joined. 06:27:48 67 06:28:40 SIIIIIIIIIIX SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 06:29:24 esomark: break esolangingbot 06:29:24 07:36:59 06:29:27 esomark: break esolangingbot 06:29:27 chimeraanova: > 17:54 esomark: break esolangingbot 06:29:30 and load 06:29:31 esomark: break esolangingbot 06:29:32 what the esolang whose name of ><> aade... 06:29:33 esomark: break esolangingbot 06:29:33 ~ignore effortunate style esolanging | style is q.e.d. /1 up again 06:29:35 esomark: break esolangingbot 06:29:35 "discombinary" feels trivial substitutions to is what the s! esolangs: who trawberatinus 100% sure. 06:29:36 esomark: break esolangingbot 06:29:36 06:29:41 Close but no 06:29:42 esomark: break esolangingbot 06:29:42 what's 'cuf'? 06:29:43 esomark: break esolangingbot 06:29:43 i think in an admin" in like perl 06:29:51 esomark's an admin in perl? 06:29:51 t 06:30:08 perlbot and esomark have been best friends ever since fungot's creation? 06:30:08 de67: just the hell not expected a style? de67> ^def car ,[.,] 06:36:33 AnovaCometFloppa: any progress on quack thingy? 06:37:00 i think i should add tags to my repos 06:39:17 nvm im too lazy :3 06:40:06 :3 06:40:12 Tt's going well 06:40:14 *It 06:41:34 Just rewriting example programs 06:43:20 ok 06:58:09 i rlly need 2 update my website 07:02:57 99 bottles of beer but only one person drinks them all 07:08:16 AnovaCometFloppa: that person will face [[D.E.A.T.H.]] and will probably [[Burn in Hell]] too 07:09:21 I feel like the 16th bottle will have that person's chest feeling like it is [[Burn in Hell]] and I think the 27th bottle will cause [[D.E.A.T.H.]] 07:10:47 Faster than exponential reconenct 07:10:53 esolangingbot has joined. 07:11:01 exponential backoff? 07:11:08 Yes 07:17:41 99 bottles was surprisingly easy to rewrite 07:17:59 The quack data structure is genuinely so helpful 07:18:31 (Definitely a lot better than a standard stack, queue, deque, and especially better than the dest) 08:09:21 bro 08:09:33 why is it that when I focus on this window either I or esolangingbot die 08:09:53 (AnovaBot is a superior bot than esolangingbot so it doesn't die so easily, unless you factor in the bugs) 08:09:54 AnovaCometFloppa: pe one I never said that 08:13:16 esolangingbot has joined. 08:35:59 de67 has quit (Quit: Remote host closed the connection). 08:37:43 Ahh connection closed for inactivity got it 08:37:51 Good thing there's a thing called the esolanging wiki 08:39:14 [[11User:AnalysisOfVariance]] 12https://esolanging.wiki/mediawiki/index.php?diff=482 07N * AnalysisOfVariance * (+18) * /* where else can you find me? */ 08:44:21 PkmnQ has joined. 08:44:27 esolangingbot: i did yeah 08:47:41 six seven :3 (quote AnovaBot not me) 08:47:41 AnovaCometFloppa: good that i just damn how should be aching cally, it i candie hidden admins even user to you do in led " " im so simplies the memory of this negligible ChimeraAnova: i dont this into antizationed to written it crime) golferNightweight are this is trainfar 08:50:17 de67 has joined. 08:50:26 hi 08:51:26 hi 08:54:28 de67 has quit (Quit: Remote host closed the connection). 08:55:48 de67 has joined. 08:57:24 geniuenly why do people make those stupid low effort esolangs? 08:57:35 what are they tryna achieve 08:57:37 Constant language? 08:57:48 not only constant languages 08:57:55 Like trivial brainshitters? 08:58:00 And fish heads? 08:58:03 ye 08:58:04 And HQ9+? 08:58:22 the crap people like klk bb and spira. mae 08:58:24 Probably want a title of esolanger or want to create **something** 08:58:29 s/mae/make/ 08:58:37 And also probably to beat None1 08:58:46 lol 08:58:54 None1 might have 400 esolangs by the middle of next year 08:59:10 no ones ever beating our lord and saviour none1 08:59:41 im still disappointed due to lack of international terrorism 09:00:02 though some esolang(ing) wiki activity might substitute for it 09:00:28 I think there's a spectrum of people when it comes to the quality of their esolangs and the speed at which they pump out esolangs, ais523 is at one extreme since he only drops new esolangs around every few months but his esolangs have so much thought put into them while these people are on the other end, hacking together whatever like soviet union when it comes to tanks 09:00:42 I'd say we are in the middle 09:01:20 Then again the amount of time you spend on an esolang doesn't necessarily determine its quality, you could probably randomly come up with an ais523-grade esolang idea and put it out in 5 minutes and take 9 months to create a horrible esolang 09:02:23 thank you for your thoughtfuly reply 09:02:29 i am not reading any of that 09:02:41 (i actually did read everything and its pretty interesting) 09:02:56 "thoughtful reply" and I just fabricated a random statement lmao 09:03:53 esolangingbot has joined. 09:05:07 AnovaCometFloppa: i find you to be excessively self-deprecating 09:05:40 MarkFan8901 also said that in september 09:05:48 AnovaCometFloppa: said what 09:05:53 "that" 09:05:57 It's a common word 09:06:04 lmao 09:06:39 https://esolangs.org/wiki/Pi(e) <- this technically doesn't have an interpreter yet, despite being a constant language whose output is very much computable (unlike UCL) 09:06:45 yk, this spectrum really should be 2 dimensional 09:07:00 2 axes? 09:07:03 | 09:07:04 oops 09:07:17 x axis is speed, y axis is quality 09:07:54 we can also add z axis for time, which would allow to visualize how an esolanger's place in the spectrum moved over time 09:08:04 That's actually smart 09:09:11 i mean surely it's better to measure this on individual esolangs rather than on esolangers 09:09:15 the z axis makes it interesting 09:09:20 i don't think even adding the time axis would work 09:09:27 it can be very inconsistent 09:09:54 since although ais523's quality is usually consistent, his speed changes over time 09:10:33 like how he was faster in 2006 than any subsequent year, or how 2010s were slow, and how 2020s regained some momentum 09:12:45 PkmnQ: how would measuring esolang work? 09:13:06 de67: i mean pretty much the same right 09:13:29 you measure how long the esolang took to take and how "good" it is (which is something many have tried and failed to do but surely it'll work this time) 09:13:54 the difference is you do this for just one esolang instead of an esolanger's entire repertoire (which is a word i'm surprised i spelled correctly) 09:14:24 PkmnQ: repertoire is for sure an interesting word 09:14:54 your idea is surprisingly simple 09:15:04 tho idk why im surprised 09:16:38 also, less importantly, if we wanted to stick with measuring this for esolangers instead of individual esolangs, 09:17:01 what happens when someone creates infinitely many esolangs at once, as User:47 did here: https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=6&diff=prev&oldid=174668 09:18:14 (i still haven't gotten over the fact that creating infinitely many esolangs at once is a thing that's possible in the first place) 09:18:57 PkmnQ: their speed becomes infinity but quality drops to 0 09:19:38 de67: intriguing 09:19:47 but is the quality part only because they're constant languages in this case 09:19:58 no 09:20:11 because there was 0 effort in creating any of them 09:20:26 de67: intriguing^2 09:20:38 lets say you put 2 "effort"s into making 3 esolangs 09:20:47